There is no healing symbol, to what ever thought is put into to co creat into
matter as we are here to share in each of our own experential journey here on
earth or we would have no experience. As for what I wrote I guess being the guru
and non judgemental spirit that you are that no ones opinion is more important
then your own.  I do not write this out of ego or anger its exceptance of what
you said and you are the moderator of your site. I was not tolling for students
as you say.  I except any and all from many other sites of moderators I have and
are still communicating with.  There was no intention to offend you. If I did I
do apologize. Life is to short on this plane to even think of this type of
juvenile comunication.
I wish only the brightest of energies to come to you on this day.
Blessings
Edward Beyer    



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From: Guru_G <crystalkundalini@...>
To: 0-point@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:01:54 PM
Subject: [0-point] Healing symbols or not ....



Namaste

What healing symbol is needed when one rests in the
Fullness of the Life of All Life.....

Any healing symbol held only keeps the opposite
also in play.... And such is the mind of duality...
Mind get's caught in black and white and has to
have a focal point in order to convince itself of
something...

Reality - Ground of Being simply IS ---
There is no other than This which IS
the Life of All Life and the death of all death...

Do you not see the difference in that type
of Perfection that opens the way to balance
imbalance...

OM Shanti







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Namaste


What healing symbol is needed when one rests in the
Fullness of the Life of All Life.....

Any healing symbol held only keeps the opposite
also in play....  And such is the mind of duality...
Mind get's caught in black and white and has to
have a focal point in order to convince itself of
something...

Reality - Ground of Being simply IS ---
There is no other than This which IS
the Life of All Life and the death of all death...

Do you not see the difference in that type
of Perfection that opens the way to balance
imbalance...




OM Shanti

Namaste

Why do those doing Reiki with consciousness in duality think they
have something to give higher than taking students to Reality ?
Here is the admonition given to the post that was waiting in pending..
What claims not to take credit as ego is all ego in nature...  Would
our resident Sage care to comment to this Reiki troller...

OM Shanti

Namaste

Thank you for visiting but my groups are not here for you to troll
for students...  This Guru takes those seeking to Realization not
keeping them in duality. Beyond what you have is Realization and
what the Masters Know is equally known as it is 0-ne....  There is
only higher and lower in your mindset of duality... Beyond that
What God IS and is not is known as the living breathing Reality...
If you were inline with Divine Source then there is only 0-ne and
not someone that thinks they are in alignment with something
other than what they are....


OM


> All of us living on this planet are having our on experience in our current
lifetime.  Have
we accomplished what we came here for?  To be a healer of you own energetic
systems
(physical, emotional, spiritual) is as natural as breathing.  Even with all the
training I have
had. Beings Master Teacher of many styles of Reiki and beings Holistic
Counselor, Massage
therapist, with other training I have had I still call in all the help I can in
every healing I
do.  I take no credit or ego mind set for what I do.  We are all energetic
beings sharing the
same energy from the tapestry of life.  We are connected to the divine presence
through
our inner spark or divine light.  Even by asking on the physical for reiki to be
sent to us we
must also take charge of seeing and breathing in and sharing the light with
others.  The
avatars, masters, arch angels angels beings of light are all around us.  Yoiu
must begin to
open up more in your mind to the energy
>  and abundance that is  all around you.
> As you say to your self:
> I am inline with divine source, I see and call apon the masters to guide me in
my journey
here on the plane.  I see the abundance and call on and see I have everything
coming to
me as needed.  All my debt in life is already paid and I have all my acoounts
fill with the
energies I need.  I show gratitude to the divine presence in my life and share
in the
blessed gifts I receive.
> See the healer of you that you are.
>  
> Blessings to all sacred beings this means YOU
>  
>
     Contact information removed by Guru-G
> NAMASTE

Namaste Guru G

   yes, its sad am running into the same with family old Friends an colleges. it
seems every one is looking for fame fortune or some other ego gratifying agenda.
although the game is interesting to watch there is siding up, than back
stabbing, then kissy face its rather amusing not to mention the drama that goes
with it.
   Ha ha ha ha ha ha

   the online Ashram is a blessing am so glad we came here as one on the path
hope this joy for all. the pertiapation on the Ashram site shows that there are
some namless wonderers out there seeking and redy. unfortunatly there are many
who find but just dont want to give up the disiere that keep the in sufering.

"G ....." <crystalkundalini@...> wrote:

> Namaste Guru G

Namaste -
>
> Saw this to day but not much Activity here.

0- as in most groups (all my other yahoo groups) when intellectual drama is not
engaged in nor when ego is not being pumped up then
the groups go silent. hahahahahahahaahah You will
find that only the (online ashram) is active as only ones that remain
there are those who are done with the ego games that others want to
bring in and engage in, in the other groups.

It is joyful to see that here there are genuine Mystics arriving
that are ready and willing to move forward.

As far as the usual groups go - egos will move on to greener
pastures and keep chasing after the other side of the fence.
Hahahahahahahahah Never content nor stopping long enough
to really encounter life changing moments. They simply continue
to project the latest ideology and look for others to continue to
prop up the same. That or they are looking for someone to *save*
with their valuable collected ideas. And so the world turns. hahahahahaha

>
> Love Jyoti

Maha Shanti OM
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> Namaste Guru G

      Namaste -
>
> Saw this to day but not much Activity here.

0-   as in most groups (all my other yahoo groups) when intellectual drama is
not
engaged in nor when ego is not being pumped up then
the groups go silent.  hahahahahahahaahah You will
find that only the (online ashram) is active as only ones that remain
there are those who are done with the ego games that others want to
bring in and engage in, in the other groups.

     It is joyful to see that here there are genuine Mystics arriving
that are ready and willing to move forward.

     As far as the usual groups go - egos will move on to greener
pastures and keep chasing after the other side of the fence.
Hahahahahahahahah  Never content nor stopping long enough
to really encounter life changing moments. They simply continue
to project the latest ideology and look for others to continue to
prop up the same. That or they are looking for someone to *save*
with their valuable collected ideas.  And so the world turns. hahahahahaha


>
> Love Jyoti

     Maha Shanti OM
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--- In 0-point@yahoogroups.com, "lotisbrig" <lotisbrig@...> wrote:
>

> Namaste Guru G

     Namaste -


>
> Saw this to day but not much Activity here.

0-  no it really doesn't sit well with most reiki energy systems
as most want to believe they can buy mastership.


>
> Love Jyoti

    Maha Shanti OM
    Love & Light
>

Namaste Jyoti,



Would like to join in and extend congradulations- what is it that you saw which
is referenced here?




not much?

































Namaste Guru G



Saw this to day but not much Activity here.



Love Jyoti



































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Namaste Guru G

Saw this to day but not much Activity here.

Love Jyoti

Namaste

i don't usually post this type of thing but i think this warrents people knowing
what is taking place - another slick maneuver by the drug companies to get their
hands on control of herbal pills. This is being pushed through so that the
public
doesn't have a chance to respond. So am posting this for those who want to
respond may have an easy access way to have their voices heard.

Maha Shanti Om
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Namaste GuruJi,

Namaste and OM


*       Time for a progress report, I am sitting here already for a few
minutes
looking at what is here so I can find the right words
    I wasn't really coming up with anything so I thought just start typing
and lets see what happens....

G    ok -

   ok, now I will continue to look-

There are thoughts, they are in the front of the face and I am watching
them.

back to looking what is here.......

There is this settled state which is with me everyday, it is consistent
and new shades of it occur daily- this has not stopped since I took
Diksha nearly one year ago, it speaks for itself in terms of knowing it
is the right thing going in the right direction

The difference now compared to the beggining times since diksha is this
settled state- distinctively noticed is there and noticed all day now-
maybe 95 percent of the day but even in the begining maybe it was 70
percent - but forget the percentages because I am not sure

There is 4 key things i know I can do, I remember the number 4 because
then I can look it up in the memory- what  the 4 things to are. There
is this nice experience with the memory in general anyway where it is
like smothered out but there also when needed .

I think I am more in the present than ever, not fully and not all the
time but the most ever allways compared to how it ever was so that is
progress,  new shades of "deep" occur daily.

Nothing flashy here but overall this whole thing is awesome. Lost in my
own world, memory doesn't nail down how it was before in terms of
experience- something like I only know what is here now, and it is the
best ever, and each day since Diksha has been better than the previous-
give or take, but basically it seems like progress daily and this has
not stopped since Diksha.

This moment now is some sort of flavor of depth that - I would like to
think is something I never had before but forget about all that - this
moment is very settled.

Maybe this is boring to read , it was an experiment to look what;s here
and then give a report.

Thumbs up. Thank you to GuruJi for all.

I am not going to edit this at all- this is what came out.

However, I just read it, I will leave it but these 4 things which are
part of the practice and what i try to keep up all day (my experience
is it is anywhere from 0 to all 4 at the same time going on the entire
day)

1. observing the breath
2. the mantra going
3. living in the heart- seeing and hearing but not (new way to describe
it- haha)
4.come back to the present

G    good list to remember - am glad that things just keep progressing
for you day by day.  Am happy to get this report.


Tanmay

Maha Shanti OM

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Namaste GuruJi,


Time for a progress report, I am sitting here already for a few minutes
looking at what is here so I can find the right words
   I wasn't really coming up with anything so I thought just start typing
and lets see what happens....

  ok, now I will continue to look-

There are thoughts, they are in the front of the face and I am watching
them.

back to looking what is here.......

There is this settled state which is with me everyday, it is consistent
and new shades of it occur daily- this has not stopped since I took
Diksha nearly one year ago, it speaks for itself in terms of knowing it
is the right thing going in the right direction

The difference now compared to the beggining times since diksha is this
settled state- distinctively noticed is there and noticed all day now-
maybe 95 percent of the day but even in the begining maybe it was 70
percent - but forget the percentages because I am not sure

There is 4 key things i know I can do, I remember the number 4 because
then I can look it up in the memory- what  the 4 things to are. There
is this nice experience with the memory in general anyway where it is
like smothered out but there also when needed .

I think I am more in the present than ever, not fully and not all the
time but the most ever allways compared to how it ever was so that is
progress,  new shades of "deep" occur daily.

Nothing flashy here but overall this whole thing is awesome. Lost in my
own world, memory doesn't nail down how it was before in terms of
experience- something like I only know what is here now, and it is the
best ever, and each day since Diksha has been better than the previous-
give or take, but basically it seems like progress daily and this has
not stopped since Diksha.

This moment now is some sort of flavor of depth that - I would like to
think is something I never had before but forget about all that - this
moment is very settled.

Maybe this is boring to read , it was an experiment to look what;s here
and then give a report.

Thumbs up. Thank you to GuruJi for all.

I am not going to edit this at all- this is what came out.

However, I just read it, I will leave it but these 4 things which are
part of the practice and what i try to keep up all day (my experience
is it is anywhere from 0 to all 4 at the same time going on the entire
day)

1. observing the breath
2. the mantra going
3. living in the heart- seeing and hearing but not (new way to describe
it- haha)
4.come back to the present


Tanmay
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Namaste,

Namaste and OM

*     i just got back from playing in the park with my son.  it is a
beautiful day outside...

G    how nice - it is a lovely day here as well - just got back in from the
morning walk with miss radhe & chico man.  It was a lovely walk.

*      finally the cold is leaving.  all winter long, i try to stay inside
as
much as possible because i am not a big fan of the cold.  however, i
noticed today that my whole body was full of energy.  of life.

G     this is nice when it is in place.

*        i walked outside and when the sun touched my skin, the whole body
seemed to tingle with shakti energy.
i have discovered that i am very sensitive to vibrations...vibrations
of emotions, personalities, food, etc..

G     yes there is a place in the journey that this takes place.  For some
not
prepared for this and not understanding what is taking place it can seem
overwhelming.  Am glad you are in the flow with it.

*        for instance, the minute sugar goes into the body, i can feel the
energy lower and stamina is drained.  in other words, it sucks the life
right out of
you.

G     it is useful to understand what various things are doing within your
system.

*       i have also noticed that most drugs can do the same thing
(prescription and
nonprescription).

G     they can indeed - for some the drugs may simply increase toxicity. For
some
they may aide in some measure - for each this is different.

*      the sun, however, is one of the highest vibrations i have ever felt.
a true gift from god =)

G    Sun provides vitamins that are needed by the form for opitmum
performance.

*       all is well here.  getting ready for our move to oklahoma.  Ommmmmm

G     may the move go smoothly.

         Thank you for the check in -
PS  could you ask your hubby why the sites testimony section isn't working ?

          i appreciate the site so much - tell him again thank you for that
Seva.

love always,
avlokita

Maha Shanti OM
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Namaste,

i just got back from playing in the park with my son.  it is a
beautiful day outside...
finally the cold is leaving.  all winter long, i try to stay inside as
much as possible because i am not a big fan of the cold.  however, i
noticed today that my whole
body was full of energy.  of life.  i walked outside and when the sun
touched my skin, the whole body seemed to tingle with shakti energy.
i have discovered that i am very sensitive to vibrations...vibrations
of emotions, personalities, food, etc..
for instance, the minute sugar goes into the body, i can feel the
energy lower and
stamina is drained.  in other words, it sucks the life right out of
you.  i have also
noticed that most drugs can do the same thing (prescription and
nonprescription).
the sun, however, is one of the highest vibrations i have ever felt.
a true gift from god =)

all is well here.  getting ready for our move to oklahoma.  Ommmmmm

love always,
avlokita

And for the third time, Hello Adam,



I am familiar with what Swami G has to say, there was a consistency and
stability of the points presented, the transmissions took place through
the writings even before taking Diksha (instruction and initiation into
the path). Swami G is known from the level of my own consciousness.
What was said would happen, happened.

It is already a platform from which to have a view from, even if the
full unfoldment of enlightenment is not yet there. From this view, it
is seen that this constancy in understanding is not there for you.
Observing the exchange, it is Swami G pointing a direction for you to
take which is best for your evolution, and it is Adam trying to figure
out who is enlightened based on some writings he has seen. Swami G's
pointings are saying don't do it, but it looks like this can't be
heard. Swami G is telling you to go where you will listen because it
makes no sense to be in contact with anyone that you are not going to
listen to.

If a day comes where this is a place that you want to listen to not
just for enriching your intellectual understandings, but listen to the
silence which is there when the coverings shed away, come back and see
the warm compassion awaiting.


Tanmay
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Hello there Tanmay,

     I too am appreciative of our a pleasant dialogue!! :-)  I have been a
student of mysticism for many, many years, and have received training and
teachings from many advanced mystics; some of which, it is my contention,
were genuinely enlightened.  Further, I have a degree in philosophy, and am
doing post-graduate work in that field.

     Most importantly, however, I have been a very diligent student of
meditation, having studied and practiced in many traditions.  Primarily in
the non-dual.  So I feel it is reasonable to assume that I have a good
intellectual grasp of the issues, and have heard it all before, and MOST
importantly, I have experienced non-dual consciousness (or whatever terms
you want to apply); thus, my views are informed by direct experience, and
not merely opinionative speculation, as Swami G contends.  Although, I will
grant her the point, that I am not enlightened, so until I am, we may say
that I am speculating.  However, I would say the same of her, as her claim
of enlightenment does not make it so.  Further, having attained some direct
realisation of Being myself, my contentions are, I claim, justifiably
informed.  As may be hers!!

     I agree with Swami G for the most part on all that she says, as I said,
I'e heard it all before; she says nothing new that many apparently
enlightened beings have stated before.  In terms of removing the covers, yes
that is my view also, and experience.  However, it is Swami G's abrasive
behaviour and personality, that leads me to infer she has not completely
removed all the coverings or conditioning yet herself.  I say this because,
I have been in the non-dual state, and lived in it non-stop for many months,
and it is clear to me, while in that state, I could not be as aggressive and
combative towards other beings, which are in fact my very self.

     If we accept the above argument, which is premised on a number of
contentions, it is clear that Swami G seems to have gone a long way to
awakening, but she has further to go - ego still remains.  However, it may
be that this is not so, that she is fully awake, and yet the mystery that IS
simply manifests itself in the form that is does, as observed in her
behaviour and presentations of self.  I grant her that possibility. :-)

     More importantly, her behaviours are not so important, as there is a
great history of curious behaviours amongst mystics.  What is important, is
does she have a transformative affect on her disciples.  I do not know, as I
would need to be in her presence, to feel her energy, and to see for myself
of its Divine or otherwise nature.  For clearly, just because she claims
enlightenment, does not make it so.  Thus, until it is established that she
is indeed enlightened, then all her claims are simply her opinions, just
like those of any person we encounter in life.

     Her kundalini may be fully active, however, that does not equate to
enlightenment.  I contend it is just the beginning of awakening, which may
go on for the rest of a life time, and into others.  Many of her abilities,
that she claims she used to have in the past - her siddhis, follow from an
active kundalini; thus, it is hard to determine if someone is enlightened
following from the possession of any such siddhis or displays of phenomena
generally associated with enlightenment.  For it may be simply due to
kundalini activity.

     This is why I would need to see for myself, to see what transformative
affect she has on others; do others awaken around her?  Are there any that
claim to have awakened in correlation with being in her presence?

     I have no interest in attacking her or anyone else, and simply are
interested in seeing the justification for a claim before it is accepted as
fact.  Thus far, I have seen no justification, but actually cause for
dismissal.  Truth be told, I am one of the most serious and diligent
aspirants to full awaken you will likely encounter, and would be most
grateful to receive the assistance of an enlightened being; however, it is
Swami G's enlightenment or lack thereof, that is to be determined.  I am no
romantic, gullible fool, as it comes to the claims of others; standards for
justification and recognition must be upheld, today, as they were in the
past :-)

     From one mystic to another, Tanmay, I bid you a wonderful journey on
your awakening!! :-p



Namaste

i will let Tanmay answer this letter but will say a degree in philosophy
means
nothing except to those who seem to think that papers equate with
experience.
So am not impressed in the least with this or your thinking that it somehow
gives
you some edge in the field.

Having had a momentary taste of what you term non-dual is quite common -
being in the high state which appears momentarily is fine and this too
passes
into a deeper state of Stillness. So you don't like my so-called abrasive
nature
in being totally honest. Maybe you might wish to read of Yogananada's
teacher
Yukteshwar - not all Enlightened Beings walk around with demeanors like you
want to think an Enlightened Being *Should* have in order to be genuine.
You
are attempting to judge with a flawed premise. There are 3 types of Jnani -
3 types of remaining - Living Awareness.

What is your reason for being on this site ? Clearly  you have no intention
on
becoming a Sadhaka here - neither have you ever made any contribution
or been asked directly to do so - and since you have the opinion that there
is nothing to be gotten from this teacher (because you have many as you
adjudged enlightened mentors) you can go to - then sir you are wasting
everyones time by being here and it would be best for you to go to where
you are willing to accept help from.

Here is an excerpt from the Vivekcudamani i will leave you with and the
statement
that Every Sage will yes say nothing you haven't heard before because the
Truth
is ONE. - your book learning and studying for the philosophy degree which
you
seem to hold in such high regards may in fact be keeping you from what you
seek - why ? because it is keeping the wheel of mind engaged and spinning.

(Exceprt from the Vivekcudamani) :
He gets his food easily by begging alms, without anxiety or care. He drinks
from
the Clear Stream. He lives Unfeetered and Independent. He sleeps without
fear
in the forest or the creamation ground. (G:no matter where one is - it
matters not)
He does not need to wash or dry his clothes, for he wears none. The earth is
his
bed. he walks the highway of Vedanta. His playmate is Brahman,, the
everlasting.
(G: so this is one type of manifestation that remains)

The knower of the Atman does not identitify himself with his body. He rests
within it, as if within a carriage. If people Provide him with comforts and
luxeries, he enjoys them and plays with them like a child. He bears *no
outward mark of a *holy* man. (G: one no longer wears this mask - that is
simply another obstruction and sticking point in the journey) He remains
quite unattached to the things of this world. ( G:  there is no desire to
chase
riches - relationships - nor any of the transient things - one simply plays
with what comes and is in this moment)

He may wear costly clothing or none. He may be dressed in deer or tiger skin
or
clothed in pure knowledge.  He may seem like a Madman, or like a Child, or
sometimes like an Unclean Spirit. Thus he wanders the earth. ( G- you cannot
box enlightened into some cookie cutter mold of acceptable demeanor or
externalized behavior pattern)

The man of contemplation walks alone. He lives desireless amidst the objects
of
desire. The Atman is his Eternal Satisfaction. He sees the Atman present in
ALL
things.

Sometimes he appears to be a Fool, sometimes a Wise Man. Sometimes he seems
Splendid as a King, sometimes Feeble-Minded. Sometimes he is Calm and
Silent.
Sometimes he draws men to him as a python attracts it's prey. Sometimes
people
Honor him Greatly, sometimes they Insult him. Sometimes they Ignore him.
(G :  there is no cookie cutter mold - and those who think there is are
buying
into some type of mis-informed spiritual illusion play) That is how the
Illumined
Soul Lives.

It goes on to speak of being content with what is - being helpless but
mighty
of power - about acting and not being bound by those actions. Appearing to
be an individual but being present in all things. About not being touched
by pleasure or pain - good or evil that is encountered. That nothing is
either good or evil to the Contemplative Sage because he has realized the
Atman and the bonds for him have fallen.  Others see the body (G: or the
residule playing out of the persona echo ) and identify him with it.
Actually
he is Free from the body and every type of bondage. To him the body
(G: or the residule persona echo effects) is simply a shadow. (G: ie it has
no substance - of what is there to be concerned about with regards to this)

So sir it would behoove you to perhaps remoove the blinders of cookie cutter
mold ideas and ideals - this is a fallacy. Consciousness is beyond the
externalized
echo of form or persona. You have been attempting to relate to the echo and
shadow of transients (body - persona) rather than to that which is the
Unchanging IS.

There were those who laughed at Ashtavakra because of his mis shapen body -
whom
they adjudged couldn't be Realized - after all he was deformed. There were
those
who Hated Kabir while in life Why ? Because he was caustic - told the Truth
point
blank and challenged those who came - he pushed their buttons - put light on
their
sticking places. And yet at his death ALL wanted to claim him as one of
their lights.

May blinders be removed into what IS rather than what one thinks it should
be.

Maha Shanti Om
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Hello once again Adam,


As a student with Swami G, I do have experiences, I have written about
them quite a bit. You can see them in the Yahoo Group Swami G speaks,
also some of my experiences were written in www.abide-in-self.com. I
did the best I could with words to tell of my experiences. There was a
transformation which did and does take place. This is the kundalini
path, Kundalini awakened under the guidance of Swami G, it has been a
blessing.

I will leave the rest for Swami G to answer, it is appropriate for me
to let you know of my experiences here. On occasion, Swami G has been
hard with me, it had a good effect, and I am sure one day I will look
back at that from high clarity and see how beneficial it was, but it is
already noticed now.

You will find somewhere in Swami G 's explanation that Guru is light,
ego is darkness- I guess we can say that more or less light is needed
for different reasons, it could be the darkness will put up a big fight
to be left alone so it can stay in the dark, then maybe the light has
to shine bright, it may be viewed by the darkness as no good, but we
know it for what it is.

Having my good experiences with Swami G, when I hear of others who have
the same, I certainly know what they are talking about. I can only tell
of my experiences and then wish this for all, the rest is for each
person to decide for themselves. Sometimes it may be a hard decision
for one to make and I sympathize with this situation.


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Hello again Adam,

Your thank you was really appreciated and heart felt. To go right along with
so many of the misunderstandings people have about Guru's and the spiritual
practices, I have noticed where people write in, a response is given with so
much attetion and heartfelt response to the poster, then when the poster feels
it
is not for them, not even a thank you, just simply vanishes, as if Guru's are
robots without any feelings or acceptance of appreciation.

Are there any laws written that say a Guru should act like a slave to
humanity, simply give and take any sort of response that comes back, where as
everyone else is free from this rule, and certainly is not obligated to give of
their
time for 5 minutes unlless a fee is paid? One day there will be a wide
awakening for all- they will see what a Guru is from their own level of
consciosness
being the same- this is just how Swami G explains what a Guru is- what you
are without the coverings. Swami G explains that a Guru is there to guide one to
remove these coverings but not to run one's life. Each makes their own
choices, then lives with these choices.

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Hello Adam,



I go by my Diksha name in these surroundings, so it is Tanmay.

You have written quite a long letter and Swami G has answered, paying
attention to every detail of what was written. I am a student here and as such
am
very appreciative of what has occurred in my life as a result. There are no
proper words for what is taking place as a result of being a student here but
nonetheless, I try to pick the right words which can convey my state of
existence.

Swami G in answering you, may not have given you what you wanted to hear, but
it is what you need to hear because it is the only thing that has a chance to
ignite you into the direction of a quick enlightenment, in the event that you
are seeking that. Swami G gives all a chance to take advantage of what is
here, and should you come into the state of existence I am experiencing as a
student, it would be unlikely that these concepts which you have presented will
be
something that you will continue to endorse.

You went on and on speaking about what the enlightened are and are not. Are
you enlightened? Swami G is telling you to go within and find this. After you
do, lets see what you have to say. If it is any help to you, there are others
that are enlightened who understand what is taking place with Swami G's and the
methodologies being used.

You have a great chance to excel under Swami G's guidance. It wouldn't be the
first time one became a student under unusual circumstances, so anything is
possible-may a huge impact and transformation occur for you as a result of your
comments here.


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Namaste and Great Morning

There are tons of sites geared towards waving the flags of mans cruelty and
inhumanity
political agendas etc.  This site though is not one of them.  The focus here is
that
of gaining knowledge that can turn this bondage around by changing persons
from the inside out rather than seeking solutions from the outside in. 
Therefore
NO Political - nor banner waving of any type is to be posted here.

  i appologise for that post getting through the sender of it is now on
moderation.
He is more than welcome to post things that have to do with this sites direction
which is healing modalities -

  NONE of my sites may be used for billboards - no matter how great you beleive
the cause or message to be.

  Let us go forward to continue a way to change humanity from the inside out.

  Love & Light
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Namaste

   A Guru is a guide - is a mentor and is not simply to be used as an
information center
for those who want to ask a question and then go about their way.  It is not
that i
can not aide you - the question you are missing is WHY you would have to
come
here in the first place?  If the Reiki teachers and mentors were giving the
correct
guidance this wouldn't have come in the first place.

If you want help here then there will be a session charge.  Here it takes
commitment to a path - to moving forward spiritually.

i am quite willing to aide those who have been errantly opened by Reiki -
but just
as Reiki is not free - neither is my aide any longer. Why  Because as in
anything in
the universe their should be a flow and an exchange in place - what is given
here
doesn't come out of paying for a one night attunement ( it comes out of a 40
year
path of dedicated hard won lessons)  Being a Guru isn't something that one
simply
decides to do - First they have to have been under a Guru mentor and when
that
Guru Mentor sees that they have passed beyond the consciousness of
conditioned
mind then and Only then are they appointed the task of going forward to
giving
Seva to mankind as a Guru. (Guru means one that dispells the darkness)

If you are seeking a path and a way through to Realization then perhaps you
are
at the right place.  If you are simply looking for someone to chat with that
can
say ok yes this looks like what is happening - then you would be better to
find
some chat group where everyone has an opinion and all are still within the
process
but have no idea on how to complete it.

i will take your mail off the line -  Any other questions you have i will
answer
but there is a minimum $10 charge per email.  There should be some exchange
in place.

Yes what you are experiencing could be a kundalini awakening. The fact that
you have run your life around fear means it could be a difficult experience
and
it would be most beneficial in fact i would say imperative that you come
under
the Guidance of the Kundalini Qualified Guru.

If you consider your Reiki teacher your Guide and Mentor then to not ask her
first is disrespectful. First one goes to their teacher for aide - IF that
teacher
cannot give the aide needed then one seeks elsewhere.  To mix methodologies
is not good as it can cause confusion. To jump into Reiki without having
researched
it's history was perhaps not the wisest choice.  i would say you might want
to
research it now - and you will find it to be true what i said in the forum.
Reiki
was an Addition to a Whole Spiritual Tradition.  Neither were the levels
just
given out to who could pay for them.  Each symbol points to a level of
Consciousness that one should be FULLY Immersed in BEFORE continuing on
to the next.  What he got as the symbology came out of his own Kundalini
journey as it does for all True and Authentic Masters. It is something that
arises spontaneously and is not something bought in a one evening session.

You may make a donation at www.kundalinisupport.com


Maha Shanti OM
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Namasta G,

Namaste

I couldn't find much on the link you gave me, however I have been looking
into Reiki for a while and understand very much that reiki can bring up many
emotional issues, I was also told this by my Reiki master (she lived in a
monastery for over 10 years) so I know she wouldn't allow me to get into
something that i couldn't handle not like some people who are given the
attunement from someone on a website!

G then why are you asking here and why is this person not aiding you.  it is
more than simply
bringing up emotional issues. Is she continuing to work with you ?  If not
why not ? these
are the questions - ANY energy modality should be taught in conjunction with
a spiritual
path and not as something separate from.

   those who are not balanced themselves should not be doing energy work on
others.
When Kundalini is awakened one can have more difficulties than help by
getting
energy work from someone again that is not within a stilled state of mind
and therefore
within balance.  Getting energy work done or doing energy work is more than
simply
buying some symbols and thinking that something then is known about how
conscoiusness
or the form is affected. To become a Master takes years of traversing the
levels and layers
of Consciuosness that are opened along the way. One cannot *buy* Mastership
in a few
weekends or months.  What a great diservice Reiki has been doing in
promoting Mastership
so cheaply.


Again I thank you for your reply

Love and Peace

Kelly

P.S could you please remove my posting from the website
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/0-point/ as i thought i was sending it
to your personal email and not for the public forum

G why what is it you have to hide ?  the questions you have - others will
have as well
this is why all corespondence is put online.  If you want it to be private
then there will
be a charge for my time.

There is much on that line if you start at the beginning and read through.
If there are other
questions then they may be posted there.  All mails sent either online or
privately are
handled the same.

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Namaste Swamiji,

Namaste and OM

*     I just returned from a vacation in Jamaica.  I had never been out of
the country before, so it was an eye opener to see other cultures.

G    yes it can be an eye opener.

*    My husband had to work in Kingston, so we stayed at the Hilton in
the Financial District.  The carribean people who worked at the
hotel were extremely nice and helpful.  They have a slower way of
life, not so rushed and stressful. I was shocked at the amount of
poverty that I saw.  Gave what little I had, but wish I could give
more.

G    it is like that is quite a bit of the world.

*      There is one scenario in particular that got me to thinking about
the path.  There were two homeless people that my husband
encountered on his way to work.  One was polite, and never asked for
anything, just made small talk and explained to Steve how he became
to be homeless (gang green and diabetes set in while he was in the
military).  The other homeless person approached Steve demanding
money and talking about how my husband should buy him food.  Steve
turned around and asked Why?  Why should he give anything to someone
who had done NOTHING to deserve it other than demand it.  The
homeless person started preaching something on "respect".  Steve
smiled and said, "fine", and started walking toward Burger King to
purchase food for both homeless people he had met.  The second
begger had a fit, because he didn't want burger king.  He wanted it
to come from another restaurant across the street…one that was
considerably more expensive.  Steve, startled that a beggar would be
so choosey, went ahead and obliged.  They both walked into the
restaurant.  The beggar was rude to the waitresses.  Demanding water
refills in harsh tones yelling to everyone about "respect".  Just as
Steve was about to order food to go, the beggar told him that he
wanted the Fish Soup.  Steve laughed and ordered it for the rude
beggar, and then ordered 3 orders of chicken and  breadsticks for
the other beggar.  He told me that he intended to order the same
amount for the rude beggar, but he had been so demanding to the
waitstaff and of Steve, Steve just gave him what he asked for and
nothing more.  The beggar walked off as soon as the bowl of soup was
finished to go out and demand more money from others.  Steve took
the other orders and gave them to the homeless person along with
$20.00 placed discreetly in the bag of food.  The nice man started
crying and told him that he hadn't had lunch in days and thanked him
humbly.  Each day my husband returned to the old man and Steve would
eat lunch with him as he talked about his days in the military.
On the flight home, I thought of this story.  Perhaps this was a
good metaphor.  People who come into this world demanding and hard
hearted, get only what they ask for, and nothing more (little cup
for grace to fill).  One that comes into this world with a kind,
open, humble heart, is bestowed with more grace.  (their cup is a
little bigger?)

G    so let me get this straight everyone should respect the homeless guy
and yet he has no respect nor gratitude ? he has a long way to go - the
other one will progress -  interesting for you to see.

*     The trip was relaxing for the family as well.  My 2 and 4 year old
enjoyed splashing in the water and the tropical sun.  A nice change
from the brisk fall.  Unfortunately on the last day there, my
daughter and I contracted a bad cold and we are still sick from it.

G   sorry to hear of the illness - am glad to hear that you enjoyed
the sun while there though.

*      The next day when we had to fly home, that cold turned into an ear
infection during the flight.  The pressure in the middle ear was
somewhat painful during the flight because of the altitude changes
and blocked Eustachian tubes.  I have to admit that what helped it
the most was listening to the mantras through the headphones during
flight.  Seemed to help soothe the pain.  At the moment, i have a
raging ear infection in both ears – hopefully this will subside soon
with lots of vitamin C, Echinacea, mantras, and energy work.

G    may you recover Now.  Let wellness fill your being -
thank you for sharing your trip story

Love,
Avlokita

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Namaste Swamiji,

I just returned from a vacation in Jamaica.  I had never been out of
the country before, so it was an eye opener to see other cultures.
My husband had to work in Kingston, so we stayed at the Hilton in
the Financial District.  The carribean people who worked at the
hotel were extremely nice and helpful.  They have a slower way of
life, not so rushed and stressful. I was shocked at the amount of
poverty that I saw.  Gave what little I had, but wish I could give
more.

There is one scenario in particular that got me to thinking about
the path.  There were two homeless people that my husband
encountered on his way to work.  One was polite, and never asked for
anything, just made small talk and explained to Steve how he became
to be homeless (gang green and diabetes set in while he was in the
military).  The other homeless person approached Steve demanding
money and talking about how my husband should buy him food.  Steve
turned around and asked Why?  Why should he give anything to someone
who had done NOTHING to deserve it other than demand it.  The
homeless person started preaching something on "respect".  Steve
smiled and said, "fine", and started walking toward Burger King to
purchase food for both homeless people he had met.  The second
begger had a fit, because he didn't want burger king.  He wanted it
to come from another restaurant across the street…one that was
considerably more expensive.  Steve, startled that a beggar would be
so choosey, went ahead and obliged.  They both walked into the
restaurant.  The beggar was rude to the waitresses.  Demanding water
refills in harsh tones yelling to everyone about "respect".  Just as
Steve was about to order food to go, the beggar told him that he
wanted the Fish Soup.  Steve laughed and ordered it for the rude
beggar, and then ordered 3 orders of chicken and  breadsticks for
the other beggar.  He told me that he intended to order the same
amount for the rude beggar, but he had been so demanding to the
waitstaff and of Steve, Steve just gave him what he asked for and
nothing more.  The beggar walked off as soon as the bowl of soup was
finished to go out and demand more money from others.  Steve took
the other orders and gave them to the homeless person along with
$20.00 placed discreetly in the bag of food.  The nice man started
crying and told him that he hadn't had lunch in days and thanked him
humbly.  Each day my husband returned to the old man and Steve would
eat lunch with him as he talked about his days in the military.
On the flight home, I thought of this story.  Perhaps this was a
good metaphor.  People who come into this world demanding and hard
hearted, get only what they ask for, and nothing more (little cup
for grace to fill).  One that comes into this world with a kind,
open, humble heart, is bestowed with more grace.  (their cup is a
little bigger?)

The trip was relaxing for the family as well.  My 2 and 4 year old
enjoyed splashing in the water and the tropical sun.  A nice change
from the brisk fall.  Unfortunately on the last day there, my
daughter and I contracted a bad cold and we are still sick from it.
The next day when we had to fly home, that cold turned into an ear
infection during the flight.  The pressure in the middle ear was
somewhat painful during the flight because of the altitude changes
and blocked Eustachian tubes.  I have to admit that what helped it
the most was listening to the mantras through the headphones during
flight.  Seemed to help soothe the pain.  At the moment, i have a
raging ear infection in both ears – hopefully this will subside soon
with lots of vitamin C, Echinacea, mantras, and energy work.

Love,
Avlokita

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who is talking



Namaste, This is a skype conversation with Gunther and GuruJI, typing
and some comments by Tanmay

Ron (tanmay)
OK , here is Gunther


Swami-G

Namaste and Maha Shanti OM

Ron
I am typeing for him because he cant type

Swami-G
hahahahahaha ok that is fine

Ron
He says namaste

Swami-G
very good
what are his questions

Ron
I am working through a mountain of karna here, connected with an
inheritance

Swami-G
ok
and ?

Ron
He is asking if you feel if I could suceed

Swami-G
hahahahahahah tell him i am a Guru not a psychic
and what is to succeed with it ?
Just trust the Universe to bring forward what is the best in your
situation .

Ron
how to mantain inner silence while doing this work

Swami-G
Sometimes gaining money or property etc. is not always the best thing -
By staying in the moment - do what you can do and then Surrender the
results
It May be best for your growth to gain the inheratence and then it
might not -
Just Trust that whatever comes or doesn't will aide you on your path -

Ron
is that money not good money and that is why it is so difficult to get
it? but again that is a question for a psychic
How to stay more in the moment?

Swami-G
Once on the path Sincerely Ma Kali or the Universal Grace will give
what is best - and will withold what is not for our best interest -
although we may not understand it at the time
Teach him the balanced breath

Ron
ok

Swami-G
and stay in Simplicity -

Ron
ok

Swami-G
Do ONE thing at a time within the mind of Sacredness
let each moment - each breath - each undertaking be used for Seva

Ron
Thank you for the teaching

Swami-G
whether Seva for Guru - God - or Humanity it is ONE and the same
you are most welcome
have Gratitude for what is given and what is not given -

Ron
ok, that is all from him- he is very appreciative

Swami-G
i hope this sheds some light

Ron
He said yes

Swami-G
more than likely he would rather hear a Yes you are going to come out
on top with this - or simply a direct no - hahahahahahahahah
but within the whole of the process it will be a learning experience to
transit
that is all
OM

Ron
OM

Swami-G
he of course is most welcome to come to india -
Maha Shanti OM

Ron
He is asking for the blessings so he can return quickly

Swami-G
Yes of Course - Surrender within the Heart - get out of the way - and
Grace will take place
accept what comes with JOY - no matter the outcome it will be for his
Benefit

Ron
ok, i think the breath techniques will be helpfull for him, keeping him
in the present

Swami-G
and when mind arises say Stop in this moment the ONLY thing that is
happening is _ then state what is taking place NOW without the
attachment of drama
Like the old dragnet dective used to say - Just the facts mam - nothing
but the facts.

Ron
hahahhaah

Swami-G
don't color it with the emotional baggage
then do the breah and come back to center
would tell him to start with OM but he might freak at this suggestion .
hahahahahah

Ron
he is laughing lightly

Swami-G
Oy Vey what to do Baba ?
so just begin with the breath -

Ron
I told him

Swami-G
good

Ron
it looks very right for the situation

Swami-G
let me know how it progresses

Ron
ok, he said
Tanmays comment was second to last

Swami-G
i will check in here in the morning and at Siddhanandas

Ron
hahaha

Swami-G
very good

Ron
he is asking how you do the OM

Swami-G
i figured that was a Tanmay comment

Ron
hahahahah
last is his

Swami-G
OOOOHHHHHHH OOOOOOOOOOO MMMMMMMMMMM

Ron
hahahahahhaha

Swami-G
MMMMMM should resonate the top of the crown -

Ron
he is asking - is it combined with the breathing or is it seperate?

Swami-G
of course he might wait on this as doing it in the TM house might cause
a great uproar
hahahahahahahaha
separate - do the balanced breath - when that is steady then one can do
the Om

Ron
he said ok

Swami-G
when it is not possible to do the OM out loud stick with the balanced
breath

Ron
he is asking- Oh, you do it out loud?

Swami-G
no need to upset the TM flock that thinks OM will cause them to lose all
Yes -
it sets up a vibrational pattern within
it also aides one to go into deeper meditation as all sounds carry
within them the inherant sound of OM

Ron
he asks- and then after doing it outloud for some time, do it silenty?

Swami-G
so one then begins to hear OM in every sound - and then rather than
fighting sound while meditating the sound draws you even deep in .
one could do that -
but silence is always great for the breath -

Ron
He said I have to find a sunny day and a tree under which i can do the
OM

Swami-G
and seeing from stillness
hahahahahahaha OM works just as well in open spaces on cloudy days
we can cover seeing from stillness later - let's see how he does with
these first instructions

Ron
ok, he said

Swami-G
now that will be $3,000 dollars - hahahahahahahahahaha

Ron
hahahahhaha

Swami-G
tell him to Relax - the more one relaxes the quicker one progresses

Ron
He is asking if he should ask me ( tanmay ) to lend him some money

Swami-G
and just kidding about the money
hahahahahaha whatever works

Ron
he is laughing

Swami-G
let's see how he progresses

Ron
ok
OM

Swami-G
work on the balanced breath now
let me know how that goes
make sure to relax enough that the stomach moves with the breath

Ron
I will write in as he has comments , and we will wait for the response-
he just said some fear is coming up

Swami-G
ah yes that happens
rather than labling it fear see it and watch it as simply an energy
change in the body
now what happens ?
don't resist it - and there will be a doorway through it

Ron
he said it is geting lighter

Swami-G
Yes very good
so this is the way it is done
Watch it with dispassion - keep breathing - don't resist
it is transient and will pass as all emotions and phenomena in the
transient world passes
the more one can relax into it - rather than resisting and tensing up
the quicker the doorway will be found through

Ron
he said it is geting lighter

Swami-G
very good
one can do this and simply sit watching within - and allow the sludge
to process out -
all the repressed things will emmerge to be swept away
cellular memories etc.
until one gets to the point of seeing nothing but energy
and then one goes even beyond that

Ron
he said he feels the spine is more heating up

Swami-G
as it comes up keep coming back to make sure the breath is balanced
hahahahahahaah ah Kundalini
Kali arises and makes an appearance
very good

Ron
again a little fear is coming up but slight

Swami-G
now he can do OM within and then back to the breath and watching

Ron
he said I dont understand

Swami-G
say OM silently within -

Ron
he is doing it
he said it is very relaxing

Swami-G
then breath into the point of fear as it rises - relax - simply witness
there is a doorway through it

Ron
he seems to be gone- hahahahahaha

Swami-G
i know it's not TM but hey what can i do - i'm only a simple swami -
hahahahahahahah

Ron
he asks- when to come back to the breath?

Swami-G
NOW
every time - keeps bringing one back to center
then again open and scan - same process -
very simple

Ron
he asks- should he continue with the breath or with OM?

Swami-G
the breath -

Ron
Tonight - he asks ( but it is already 12 am)

Swami-G
Om when mind rises -
go rest -

Ron
ok. OM
He said Pranam

Swami-G
if you can print this out later and then he can keep it as instructions
OM
Maha Shanti OM
have a great rest

Ron
ok, I can also post it?

Swami-G
Yes will post it

Ron
ok, OM

Swami-G
this is fine

Ron
ok, Namaste

Swami-G
go ahead and post as this is a good one for those wanting to move
forward
Namaste

Ron
ok, I will on all the groups
OM

Namaste, This is a skype conversation with Gunther and GuruJI, typing
and some comments by Tanmay

Ron 8/20/06 11:10 PM
OK , here is Gunther
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:11 PM
Namaste and Maha Shanti OM
Ron 8/20/06 11:11 PM
I am typeing for him because he cant type
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:11 PM
hahahahahaha ok that is fine
Ron 8/20/06 11:11 PM
He says namaste
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:11 PM
very good
8/20/06 11:11 PM
what are his questions
Ron 8/20/06 11:12 PM
I am working through a mountain of karna here, connected with an
inheritance
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:12 PM
ok
8/20/06 11:12 PM
and ?
Ron 8/20/06 11:12 PM
He is asking if you feel if I could suceed
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:12 PM
hahahahahahah tell him i am a Guru not a psychic
8/20/06 11:13 PM
and what is to succeed with it ?
8/20/06 11:13 PM
Just trust the Universe to bring forward what is the best in your
situation .
Ron 8/20/06 11:13 PM
how to mantain inner silence while do this work
8/20/06 11:13 PM
*doing
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:14 PM
Sometimes gaining money or property etc. is not always the best thing -
8/20/06 11:14 PM
By staying in the moment - do what you can do and then Surrender the
results
8/20/06 11:14 PM
It May be best for your growth to gain the inheratence and then it
might not -
8/20/06 11:15 PM
Just Trust that whatever comes or doesn't will aide you on your path -
Ron 8/20/06 11:15 PM
is that money not good money and that is why it is so difficult to get
it? but again that is a question for a psychic
8/20/06 11:16 PM
How to stay more in the moment?
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:16 PM
Once on the path Sincerely Ma Kali or the Universal Grace will give
what is best - and will withold what is not for our best interest -
although we may not understand it at the time
8/20/06 11:16 PM
Teach him the balanced breath
Ron 8/20/06 11:17 PM
ok
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:17 PM
and stay in Simplicity -
Ron 8/20/06 11:17 PM
ok
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:17 PM
Do ONE thing at a time within the mind of Sacredness
8/20/06 11:17 PM
let each moment - each breath - each undertaking be used for Seva
Ron 8/20/06 11:17 PM
Thank you for the teaching
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:17 PM
whether Seva for Guru - God - or Humanity it is ONE and the same
8/20/06 11:18 PM
you are most welcome
8/20/06 11:18 PM
have Gratitude for what is given and what is not given -
Ron 8/20/06 11:18 PM
ok, that is all from him- he is very appreciative
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:18 PM
i hope this sheds some light
Ron 8/20/06 11:19 PM
He said yes
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:19 PM
more than likely he would rather hear a Yes you are going to come out
on top with this - or simply a direct no - hahahahahahahahah
8/20/06 11:19 PM
but within the whole of the process it will be a learning experience to
transit
8/20/06 11:20 PM
that is all
8/20/06 11:20 PM
OM
Ron 8/20/06 11:20 PM
OM
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:20 PM
he of course is most welcome to come to india -
8/20/06 11:21 PM
Maha Shanti OM
Ron 8/20/06 11:21 PM
He is asking for the blessings so he can return quickly
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:21 PM
Yes of Course - Surrender within the Heart - get out of the way - and
Grace will take place
8/20/06 11:22 PM
accept what comes with JOY - no matter the outcome it will be for his
Benefit
Ron 8/20/06 11:23 PM
ok, i think the breath techniques will be helpfull for him, keeping him
in the present
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:24 PM
and when mind arises say Stop in this moment the ONLY thing that is
happening is _ then state what is taking place NOW without the
attachment of drama
8/20/06 11:25 PM
Like the old dragnet dective used to say - Just the facts mam - nothing
but the facts.
Ron 8/20/06 11:25 PM
hahahhaah
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:25 PM
don't color it with the emotional baggage
8/20/06 11:25 PM
then do the breah and come back to center
8/20/06 11:27 PM
would tell him to start with OM but he might freak at this suggestion .
hahahahahah
Ron 8/20/06 11:27 PM
he is laughing lightly
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:27 PM
Oy Vey what to do Baba ?
8/20/06 11:28 PM
so just begin with the breath -
Ron 8/20/06 11:28 PM
I told him
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:28 PM
good
Ron 8/20/06 11:28 PM
it looks very right for the situation
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:28 PM
let me know how it progresses
Ron 8/20/06 11:28 PM
ok, he said
8/20/06 11:28 PM
Tanmays comment was second to last
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:28 PM
i will check in here in the morning and at Siddhanandas
Ron 8/20/06 11:29 PM
hahaha
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:29 PM
very good
Ron 8/20/06 11:29 PM
he is asking how you do the OM
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:29 PM
i figured that was a Tanmay comment
Ron 8/20/06 11:29 PM
hahahahah
8/20/06 11:29 PM
last is his
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:29 PM
OOOOHHHHHHH OOOOOOOOOOO MMMMMMMMMMM
Ron 8/20/06 11:29 PM
hahahahahhaha
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:29 PM
MMMMMM should resonate the top of the crown -
Ron 8/20/06 11:30 PM
he is asking - is it combined with the breathing or is it seperate?
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:30 PM
of course he might wait on this as doing it in the TM house might cause
a great uproar
8/20/06 11:30 PM
hahahahahahahaha
8/20/06 11:31 PM
separate - do the balanced breath - when that is steady then one can do
the Om
Ron 8/20/06 11:31 PM
he said ok
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:31 PM
when it is not possible to do the OM out loud stick with the balanced
breath
Ron 8/20/06 11:31 PM
he is asking- Oh, you do it out loud?
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:32 PM
no need to upset the TM flock that thinks OM will cause them to lose all
8/20/06 11:32 PM
Yes -
8/20/06 11:32 PM
it sets up a vibrational pattern within
8/20/06 11:33 PM
it also aides one to go into deeper meditation as all sounds carry
within them the inherant sound of OM
Ron 8/20/06 11:33 PM
he asks- and then after doing it outloud for some time, do it silenty?
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:33 PM
so one then begins to hear OM in every sound - and then rather than
fighting sound while meditating the sound draws you even deep in .
8/20/06 11:33 PM
one could do that -
8/20/06 11:34 PM
but silence is always great for the breath -
Ron 8/20/06 11:34 PM
He said I have to find a sunny day and a tree under which i can do the
OM
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:34 PM
and seeing from stillness
8/20/06 11:34 PM
hahahahahahaha OM works just as well in open spaces on cloudy days
8/20/06 11:35 PM
we can cover seeing from stillness later - let's see how he does with
these first instructions
Ron 8/20/06 11:35 PM
ok, he said
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:36 PM
now that will be $3,000 dollars - hahahahahahahahahaha
Ron 8/20/06 11:36 PM
hahahahhaha
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:36 PM
tell him to Relax - the more one relaxes the quicker one progresses
Ron 8/20/06 11:36 PM
He is asking if he should ask me ( tanmay ) to lend him some money
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:36 PM
and just kidding about the money
8/20/06 11:37 PM
hahahahahaha whatever works
Ron 8/20/06 11:37 PM
he is laughing
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:37 PM
let's see how he progresses
Ron 8/20/06 11:38 PM
ok
8/20/06 11:38 PM
OM
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:38 PM
work on the balanced breath now
8/20/06 11:38 PM
let me know how that goes
8/20/06 11:39 PM
make sure to relax enough that the stomach moves with the breath
Ron 8/20/06 11:39 PM
I will write in as he has comments , and we will wait for the response-
he just said some fear is coming up
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:39 PM
ah yes that happens
8/20/06 11:39 PM
rather than labling it fear see it and watch it as simply an energy
change in the body
8/20/06 11:40 PM
now what happens ?
8/20/06 11:40 PM
don't resist it - and there will be a doorway through it
Ron 8/20/06 11:40 PM
he said it is geting lighter
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:40 PM
Yes very good
8/20/06 11:40 PM
so this is the way it is done
8/20/06 11:40 PM
Watch it with dispassion - keep breathing - don't resist
8/20/06 11:41 PM
it is transient and will pass as all emotions and phenomena in the
transient world passes
8/20/06 11:42 PM
the more one can relax into it - rather than resisting and tensing up
the quicker the doorway will be found through
Ron 8/20/06 11:42 PM
he said it is geting lighter
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:42 PM
very good
8/20/06 11:43 PM
one can do this and simply sit watching within - and allow the sludge
to process out -
8/20/06 11:43 PM
all the repressed things will emmerge to be swept away
8/20/06 11:43 PM
cellular memories etc.
8/20/06 11:43 PM
until one gets to the point of seeing nothing but energy
8/20/06 11:43 PM
and then one goes even beyond that
Ron 8/20/06 11:44 PM
he said he feels the spine is more heating up
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:44 PM
as it comes up keep coming back to make sure the breath is balanced
8/20/06 11:44 PM
hahahahahahaah ah Kundalini
8/20/06 11:45 PM
Kali arises and makes an appearance
8/20/06 11:45 PM
very good
Ron 8/20/06 11:45 PM
again a little fear is coming up but slight
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:45 PM
now he can do OM within and then back to the breath and watching
Ron 8/20/06 11:46 PM
he said I dont understand
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:46 PM
say OM silently within -
Ron 8/20/06 11:47 PM
he is doing it
8/20/06 11:47 PM
he said it is very relaxing
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:47 PM
then breath into the point of fear as it rises - relax - simply witness
8/20/06 11:47 PM
there is a doorway through it
Ron 8/20/06 11:48 PM
he seems to be gone- hahahahahaha
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:48 PM
i know it's not TM but hey what can i do - i'm only a simple swami -
hahahahahahahah
Ron 8/20/06 11:48 PM
he asks- when to come back to the breath?
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:48 PM
NOW
8/20/06 11:49 PM
every time - keeps bringing one back to center
8/20/06 11:49 PM
then again open and scan - same process -
8/20/06 11:49 PM
very simple
Ron 8/20/06 11:50 PM
he asks- should he continue with the breath or with OM?
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:50 PM
the breath -
Ron 8/20/06 11:51 PM
Tonight - he asks ( but it is already 12 am)
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:51 PM
Om when mind rises -
8/20/06 11:51 PM
go rest -
Ron 8/20/06 11:51 PM
ok. OM
8/20/06 11:51 PM
He said Pranam
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:51 PM
if you can print this out later and then he can keep it as instructions
8/20/06 11:51 PM
OM
8/20/06 11:51 PM
Maha Shanti OM
8/20/06 11:52 PM
have a great rest
Ron 8/20/06 11:52 PM
ok, I can also post it?
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:52 PM
Yes will post it
Ron 8/20/06 11:52 PM
ok, OM
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:52 PM
this is fine
Ron 8/20/06 11:52 PM
ok, Namaste
Swami-G 8/20/06 11:52 PM
go ahead and post as this is a good one for those wanting to move
forward
8/20/06 11:53 PM
Namaste
Ron 8/20/06 11:53 PM
ok, I will on all the groups
8/20/06 11:53 PM
OM
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Namaste,

Namaste and Maha Shanti OM

G   have read the whole of the letter -  in the end this has been a very
good experience to
begin to detach from the idea of being a body.  Very good.

       i made the soup -  it's not bad.   may have it on occasion.  modified
for the diabetes.

      love & light
            0



I have been going through a cleansing diet for the last week.  At
first, it was fine…but yesterday was extremely hard for me.  I
wanted things that I haven't gorged on since college.  I wanted taco
bell smothered in grease, I wanted dr. peppers, cigarettes, anything
I could get my hands on.  Anything except for the stupid soup that I
was allowed to eat.  I was sick of it.  My Naturopathic Doctor
warned me this would happen.  She said as toxins begin to release
from the liver, old habits will be drudged up.  Somewhat like
cellular memory.  She had given me a complimentary pack of chamomile
to ease the anxiety.

I don't know why I didn't take the chamomile.   I wanted to sit with
the emotions and try to break through them.  My husband had ordered
a pizza for the family last night, and I was MAD.  I was mad at him,
and the world because I couldn't indulge.  I was mad because I had
given up so much in the last couple of years to cleanse the temple
and learn about nutrition.    I know this sounds stupid because the
cleansing diet is only a weak long, and then I am allowed more of a
variety after 7 days.  Not only that, I rarely eat pizza because of
the refined starches and MSG in the sauce.  I just wanted it because
I couldn't have it I guess.

So I cleared my mind, focused on the breath.  Let the tears of anger
fall.  And then I remembered something that Osho had written about.
It was about 2 different plants that had been planted, both were
watered and nourished every day.  However, one was watered with
thoughts of love and kindness.  The other was watered with hate and
dark thoughts.  Turns out, that the plant nourished with love
prospered, while the other one was weak.  The magnitude of this
experiment didn't hit me until last night.  It was at this time a
separation from self and vehicle was experienced.  I am not talking
about phenomenal astral travel.  I am talking about a perception of
not being just the vehical.  The body was seen as a very useful tool
to experience mundane things, but the fallacy of thinking "I am
pretty, I am ugly, I am healthy, I am sick, I am (on and on…….) was
right there in my face.  By identifying oneself as the body, then
One will always be a slave to the addictions of the body.  Once the
separation is made, then One realizes that the body has little to do
with the actual self and only requires water, nourishing food, rest,
and fun.  How simple.  Also, the negative thought patterns can be
broken through with this realization.  How will a body ever perform
to its optimal level if you don't give it the proper amount of love
to prosper?  This was important for me to see because I am very
critical of myself at a very deep level.  When my child has a
sickness, the last thing I do is get pissed off because my child
doesn't recover overnight.  Naturally as a mom, I offer love and
support and care my child back to health.  Why didn't I ever do that
with my own self?

Today is much better.  I am still sick of the soup, but I am more
detatched and not so emotional.  I guess I can see why there are
periods of fasting in all the major religions.  Not only is it
healthy to rest the body, but it can also turn a person within and
the witness state can be deepened.

Love,
Avlokita

Namaste,

I have been going through a cleansing diet for the last week.  At
first, it was fine…but yesterday was extremely hard for me.  I
wanted things that I haven't gorged on since college.  I wanted taco
bell smothered in grease, I wanted dr. peppers, cigarettes, anything
I could get my hands on.  Anything except for the stupid soup that I
was allowed to eat.  I was sick of it.  My Naturopathic Doctor
warned me this would happen.  She said as toxins begin to release
from the liver, old habits will be drudged up.  Somewhat like
cellular memory.  She had given me a complimentary pack of chamomile
to ease the anxiety.

I don't know why I didn't take the chamomile.   I wanted to sit with
the emotions and try to break through them.  My husband had ordered
a pizza for the family last night, and I was MAD.  I was mad at him,
and the world because I couldn't indulge.  I was mad because I had
given up so much in the last couple of years to cleanse the temple
and learn about nutrition.    I know this sounds stupid because the
cleansing diet is only a weak long, and then I am allowed more of a
variety after 7 days.  Not only that, I rarely eat pizza because of
the refined starches and MSG in the sauce.  I just wanted it because
I couldn't have it I guess.

So I cleared my mind, focused on the breath.  Let the tears of anger
fall.  And then I remembered something that Osho had written about.
It was about 2 different plants that had been planted, both were
watered and nourished every day.  However, one was watered with
thoughts of love and kindness.  The other was watered with hate and
dark thoughts.  Turns out, that the plant nourished with love
prospered, while the other one was weak.  The magnitude of this
experiment didn't hit me until last night.  It was at this time a
separation from self and vehicle was experienced.  I am not talking
about phenomenal astral travel.  I am talking about a perception of
not being just the vehical.  The body was seen as a very useful tool
to experience mundane things, but the fallacy of thinking "I am
pretty, I am ugly, I am healthy, I am sick, I am (on and on…….) was
right there in my face.  By identifying oneself as the body, then
One will always be a slave to the addictions of the body.  Once the
separation is made, then One realizes that the body has little to do
with the actual self and only requires water, nourishing food, rest,
and fun.  How simple.  Also, the negative thought patterns can be
broken through with this realization.  How will a body ever perform
to its optimal level if you don't give it the proper amount of love
to prosper?  This was important for me to see because I am very
critical of myself at a very deep level.  When my child has a
sickness, the last thing I do is get pissed off because my child
doesn't recover overnight.  Naturally as a mom, I offer love and
support and care my child back to health.  Why didn't I ever do that
with my own self?

Today is much better.  I am still sick of the soup, but I am more
detatched and not so emotional.  I guess I can see why there are
periods of fasting in all the major religions.  Not only is it
healthy to rest the body, but it can also turn a person within and
the witness state can be deepened.

Love,
Avlokita

Blessings  Sat*Chit*Anand  Shanti-Shanti-Shanti  OM
Love- Light - Great Peace & IS
0

Namaste Dearest Guruji,

Namaste and OM

*     i sat down to write this post and started bawling...hahaha - an
unexplained release.

G    this happens - glad it is releasing rather than causing some build up.

*       I went back for a checkup to the Naturopathic Doctor.  She said i am
still battling the candidiasis, but it is much better.

G   not fun but am happy things are getting better within that.

*      She gave me a couple of things to clean the liver and any parasites
within
the body to allow for strong immune system.

G   very good

*      Then we sat and talked for three hours.  She told me that this battle
i am
fighting is a wonderful grace that the universe has given to me.
Every great healer has their story of dis-ease that they had to
overcome.  shesaid it gives them the "tried and tested" trademark and
ability to
help others.

G  yes this is true -

*       Along with my herbal regimen to take over the next couple of weeks,
she also has me eating alot of tomato cabbage soup.  I just made my first
batch
of it this morning and it is quite tasty.  it has V8 juice, head of
cabbage,tomatoes,
celery, green onions, and green peppers.  For one week i can eat as much of
it as
i want, along with fruits and veggies, and later on in the week i can eat
meats and brown rice.
The enzymes and healing properties of the soup are to support the liver
cleanse and
healing of the intestinal tract.  It isn't meant to be a long term diet,
only a week at a time.
Is supposed to a good aid in weightloss too because it revs up the
metabolism.

G  i may go ahead and give that one a try.   sounds like a good soup -

*      We also spoke about the opportunity for me to advance in my knowledge
of alternative medicine. I will be taking courses soon to recieve my ND with
an emphasis in
nutrition.  This will allow for energy work, nutrition guidance, and
herbal/vitamin supplementation
counseling. (i will have to be licesenced as a massage therapist as well to
do the energy work).
Now that i know what i want to be when i grow up (this took me 27 years to
figure out!), it
looks like i have my work cut out for me.  =)

G   congratulations - sounds like a good plan ...    may you go forward and
benefit many.

Love and Om,
Avlokita

Love & Light
          0m
           0

Namaste Dearest Guruji,

i sat down to write this post and started bawling...hahaha - an
unexplained release.

I went back for a checkup to the Naturopathic Doctor.  She said i am
still battling the candidiasis,
but it is much better.  She gave me a couple of things to clean the
liver and any parasites within
the body to allow for strong immune system.  Then we sat and talked
for three hours.  She
told me that this battle i am fighting is a wonderful grace that the
universe has given to me.
Every great healer has their story of dis-ease that they had to
overcome.  she
said it gives them the "tried and tested" trademark and ability to
help others.

Along with my herbal regimen to take over the next couple of weeks,
she also has me eating alot of
tomato cabbage soup.  I just made my first batch of it this morning
and it is quite tasty.  it
has V8 juice, head of cabbage,tomatoes, celery, green onions, and
green peppers.  For one
week i can eat as much of it as i want, along with fruits and
veggies, and later on in the week
i can eat meats and brown rice.  The enzymes and healing properties
of the soup are to
support the liver cleanse and healing of the intestinal tract.  It
isn't meant to be a long term
diet, only a week at a time.  Is supposed to a good aid in weightloss
too because it revs up
the metabolism.

We also spoke about the opportunity for me to advance in my knowledge
of alternative medicine.
I will be taking courses soon to recieve my ND with an emphasis in
nutrition.  This will allow for
energy work, nutrition guidance, and herbal/vitamin supplementation
counseling. (i will have to be
licesenced as a massage therapist as well to do the energy work).
Now that i know what i
want to be when i grow up (this took me 27 years to figure out!), it
looks like i have my work
cut out for me.  =)

Love and Om,
Avlokita